Kazakhstan is the ninth-largest country in the world, and most of it is empty. Steppe in every direction from Astana. Desert in the south. Mountains crammed against Almaty’s southern edge. A Caspian coastline that belongs to a completely different geography from anything else in the country. To run in Kazakhstan is to run against a scale that most running cultures never have to think about.
That scale, paradoxically, is why the running clubs that have formed in Kazakhstan’s cities feel more deliberate than comparable clubs elsewhere. In a country where voluntary community formation is relatively recent, where cities are either very old or almost brand new, where the landscape does not gently invite you outdoors but makes specific demands on how you engage with it — the decision to build a running community is not incidental. It is an act of construction.
The result is a scene with its own logic. Kazakhstan’s running world is not one thing. It is at minimum two cities with almost nothing in common except a flag and a timezone, each producing a different kind of runner, each shaped by terrain that the other doesn’t have access to. Almaty runs against mountains. Astana runs across a steppe that becomes a city that becomes steppe again. Shymkent runs in heat that northern Kazakhs find genuinely foreign. And somewhere north of Astana, a few hundred people run a race across a frozen lake every winter because the conditions exist for it and someone decided that was reason enough.
This is a guide to the clubs and communities across that landscape — what they are, what they’ve built, and what it means to run in each of these places.
Two Cities, Two Running Cultures
Understanding Kazakhstan’s running scene means accepting that Almaty and Astana have almost nothing in common as places to run, and that both cities have produced real running cultures for opposite reasons.
Almaty is the old capital — the cultural city, the city where things happened before Astana existed. It sits in a bowl between the steppe to the north and the Zailisky Alatau mountains to the south. The mountains are not scenic backdrop. They are the city’s actual edge: you can take the metro to the last stop and begin climbing within ten minutes. Trail running here is not a discipline you specialize in. It is what happens when you run toward the south on any given Saturday. The Almaty Marathon, the largest road race in Central Asia, starts at Republic Square and traces streets that have been lived in for over a century.
Astana is the new capital — purpose-built on the steppe starting in the late 1990s, still adding skyline as recently as the last decade. The Baiterek monument, the Nur Alem sphere, the Khan Shatyr tent-shaped mall: Astana is a city that asserts itself against its geography through architecture. The running equivalent is the Yessil embankment — a long, flat riverside promenade along the left bank that functions as the city’s default long-run axis. Twenty-five kilometers if you go end to end. The horizon is open in every direction. In November, the temperature can be below -20°C. People run anyway. That fact, more than any club’s brand identity, is the defining feature of Astana’s running culture.
The clubs that formed in these two cities respond to these differences directly.
Almaty: The Old City and Its Clubs
The Zailisky Alatau range is part of the Tian Shan system — the same mountain chain that runs through Kyrgyzstan and into western China. From the Almaty city limits, it rises to over 4,000 meters. The same runners who do track repeats on weekday evenings are above 3,000 meters on Saturday mornings. This is the backdrop against which every Almaty running club operates, whether or not they run in the mountains themselves.
Races like Tau Jarys — a cross-country evening run in the Alatau foothills — exist precisely because the terrain is there and someone organized it. The Almaty Marathon course stays in the city, but its participants are people who treat vertical gain as a routine dimension of training, not a specialty.
The clubs reflect the full range of what that context produces.
Let’s Run — Almaty
Let’s Run functions less as a traditional running club and more as the social infrastructure that connects Almaty’s running community. Their Instagram account aggregates free running events happening across the city, links communities together, and circulates the kind of observational humor about running life that keeps an audience coming back even between runs.
For newcomers trying to find their entry point into Almaty’s scene, Let’s Run is often the first stop — a practical guide to what’s happening, who’s organizing it, and how to show up. The taplink aggregates current event listings, and the DM line is open for organizers who want their runs included.
The community is explicitly free, explicitly informal, and explicitly about access. There are no fees, no fitness requirements, no pace cutoffs. Just runs, announced publicly, open to whoever shows up.
Instagram: @lets.run.almaty · 1,600+ followers
Community Almaty Run
The Community Almaty Run project, launched by the Almaty Marathon organization in early 2025, brought a specific format to the city: free Sunday long runs that end not with a dispersal to private lives but with hot tea, coffee, and a guest lecture.
The lecture themes say something about the community this attracts. Discussions have covered year-round motivation, runner’s etiquette, eco-friendly lifestyles, time management for athlete-professionals, and similar territory. The runs are about running; the gatherings afterwards are about the kind of person who takes running seriously enough to want a support structure around it.
Community Almaty Run is organized through a Telegram channel (@runalmatymarathon), which is now the primary coordination point for the Sunday sessions. Prizes from Kazakh clothing brand AYMN appear at some events. The initiative sits inside the broader Almaty Marathon ecosystem, making it both a standalone community and a feeder into the city’s major race events.
J-Run — Running Academy
J-Run (@jrun_kz) is one of Almaty’s most established running academies — a structured training program that handles both recreational runners looking for proper technique and athletes preparing for competitive distances. The club prepares runners for everything from 5K distances to full marathons, with training tracks designed for different fitness levels.
J-Run’s presence at the Almaty Half Marathon has been consistent and visible. Members participate as a team, compare results, track personal records together. The academy model — coaching, structure, progression — fills a different role than the informal community groups, attracting people who want their running to improve rather than just continue.
Instagram: @jrun_kz
Space Team
Space Team (@spaceteamalmaty) positions itself as a club where sport becomes part of daily life rather than something you schedule around it. Free running and strength training sessions with an individual approach sit alongside a community culture described explicitly as “family” — the language of belonging rather than performance.
The combination of running and strength training is deliberate. Kazakhstan’s running clubs have generally been quicker than European counterparts to integrate cross-training into their regular programming, reflecting a fitness culture that doesn’t sharply separate endurance and strength work.
Brave Academy
Brave Academy (@braveacademy.kz) takes the comprehensive approach furthest. Sessions and workouts happen across different locations around Almaty, and the coaching extends beyond running mechanics to cover sleep, nutrition, and overall health management. It is one of the cleaner examples in Kazakhstan of running-as-wellness rather than running-as-sport — an orientation that has attracted a specific audience of people who came to running for health reasons and stayed for the community.
Homerun and Alau.Pro
Homerun (@homerunkz) specializes in trail running alongside standard road training, offering individual training plans and coach support. For Almaty runners who want to make use of the city’s mountain access in a structured way, Homerun provides the bridge between urban running culture and the Alatau trails.
Alau.Pro (@alay.pro) has six years of operation behind it — one of the older continuously running clubs in Almaty. Open team workouts, consistent schedule, a community that has accumulated enough shared history to have its own culture. The founder base makes it one of the city’s more stable clubs.
ILoveRunning
ILoveRunning (@ilovesupersport_kz) has been running for ten years, making it a genuine institution by Kazakhstan standards. The program covers recreational running and race preparation from 5K to marathon. Its longevity in a market where many clubs appear and disappear within a couple of years suggests it found an audience and kept it — likely through the reliability of its programming rather than through novelty.
Astana: The New Capital and What It Takes to Run There
Astana has winters that last from November to April. The average January temperature is around -15°C; it can drop to -35°C during cold snaps. The steppe wind comes without obstruction from any direction. Every running club in the city operates with a weather variable that clubs in most cities never have to solve — and what they’ve built despite that is the most honest measure of how serious the culture has become.
The Yessil River embankment is the spine of it all: a long, flat riverside promenade on the left bank, connecting the modern landmarks from the Akorda presidential residence outward. Runners describe the full left-bank stretch — Akorda to Turan Avenue and back — as the default 20–25 km long-run route. At dawn, the views are dramatic in the way that only a purpose-built capital on a flat steppe can produce: deliberate architecture, wide sky, no softening hills.
The clubs that formed around this geography range from professional training academies to tight communities held together by shared stubbornness.
Alliance Runfit — Astana’s Professional Running Club
Alliance Runfit is the largest and most prominent running community in Astana, with nearly 5,000 Instagram followers and a consistent profile as a professionally organized training club.
The club’s slogan — “BIR MAQSAT, BIR MÜDDE, BIR BOLAŞAQ” (“One Goal, One Period, One Future” in Kazakh) — captures the orientation. This is not a social run group. It is a structured training program oriented around measurable results: from first steps to marathons, personal records as the explicit aim. Training registration happens through a booking link, and the schedule is published consistently enough that the club has built real attendance habits.
Alliance Runfit organizes its own events alongside using the major race calendar. The Astana Run Challenge series on the Jagalau course is a recurring fixture, and the club participates in the Sport Nation partnership that has become an infrastructure layer for several Astana-based communities.
Instagram: @alliance_runfit · 4,900+ followers · tapter.one/ALLIANCE_RUNFIT
AstanaRunners — The Club and Its Training Arm
AstanaRunners operates as two linked entities: the main community account (@astanarunners, 1,700 followers) and the dedicated training team (@astanarunners.team, 1,000 followers) led by coach Bigaliev Adilkhan Dzhanberkovich.
The split reflects a pattern common in Kazakhstan’s larger clubs: an open community for anyone who wants to run together, and a more structured training track for those who want coaching, progression, and race preparation. The training team handles technique, periodization, and individual programming; the main community provides the social calendar.
Registration for trial training sessions happens through WhatsApp or the team’s link, keeping the entry point accessible. The club’s culture is described as amateur in orientation — shared passion rather than professional aspiration — but the presence of a named coach and a separate team account signals that “amateur” does not mean “casual.”
Main: @astanarunners · Team: @astanarunners.team
Die Hard Astana (Tengri Runners)
Die Hard Astana — also known as Tengri Runners (@tengri_runners) — represents one of the more structurally interesting running communities in Kazakhstan.
Active since 2019, the community organizes Sunday long runs in the #DieHardRunning format: pace groups from 4:00 to 6:30 min/km, distances consistently over 20 kilometers, a safe and structured approach to what would otherwise be a daunting weekly mileage commitment. The left-bank embankment forms the backbone of these routes: full bank from Akorda to Turan Avenue and back, 20–25 kilometers.
What distinguishes Die Hard from comparable groups is the gamification layer: a website tracks rankings and challenges, and runners earn points for each Sunday run based on pace, distance, and frequency. Points convert to gear and race slots. The incentive structure transforms what could be a loose social gathering into something with accountability built in — you have a reason to show up, and to show up consistently.
Runner Alexandr Klokov, who joins Die Hard’s Sunday sessions regularly, describes the experience: “Every Sunday morning, we run the full left bank from the Akorda to Turan avenue, then back along the right bank. It’s 20–25 kilometers.” For Klokov, running also became a life-reorienting practice: it helped him quit smoking and alcohol, and he now runs his commute to work daily regardless of weather.
Instagram: @tengri_runners
Nomad TriClub
Nomad TriClub, founded in 2019 by Timur Abilov, is explicitly semi-professional: small (20–25 athletes), with tailored individual coaching and a commitment to sport as lifestyle rather than hobby.
Abilov came to triathlon after a career pivot driven by health. He left an unfulfilling job, restructured his life around sport, and built Nomad TriClub as the community he wished had existed when he started. The club began as a large group (up to 90 participants), then deliberately narrowed to ensure coaching quality could match ambition. Members compete across Kazakhstan and internationally. Since 2022, the club also runs a youth program for children aged five to six — a social project funded by the club itself, producing young athletes who are already winning local competitions.
Abilov’s preferred training spots trace the best of what Astana offers: Central Park loops, the Botanical Garden’s smooth paths, the Triathlon Park, the riverside Akorda route, and the Kosshy-Urker bike path for long runs up to 50 kilometers.
Instagram: @timur_abilov_nomad
FAST RUN Kazakhstan
FAST RUN Kazakhstan (@fast_run_kazakhstan) runs a structured weekly schedule: Tuesday and Thursday sessions at 6:30 am and 7:00 pm at the Central Stadium, Saturday sessions at 8:00 am. The training is led by coach Almas Rakhimbayev.
The dual-session daily format (morning and evening on weekdays) makes FAST RUN one of the most schedule-flexible clubs in Astana’s scene — relevant for a city where working hours are long and commutes vary. With 880+ followers and 660+ posts, the club has built a consistent online presence, though its community is smaller than the major city clubs.
Instagram: @fast_run_kazakhstan
RunLife Astana
RunLife Astana (@runlifeastana) describes itself as a closed running community — and that positioning is deliberate. Where most clubs emphasize openness and accessibility, RunLife Astana is built around a smaller, curated group that combines long runs, races, discipline, and notably, reading. The bio explicitly lists books alongside long runs and races as defining community activities.
The combination is unusual and specific. It signals a community oriented not around mass participation or visible social media presence but around a particular kind of person who takes running seriously as one dimension of a broader self-development practice. With 428 followers and a deliberately managed membership (administered by @bariyevna, @dinaflame, @gohintosh), RunLife Astana occupies a niche that other Astana clubs don’t fill.
Instagram: @runlifeastana
The Training Programs: Бег с удовольствием / Run 21 Day
One of the highest-reach running accounts in Kazakhstan belongs to a format rather than a club: Бег с удовольствием — 21 день (@run_21day_kz), a beginner training program that has accumulated 32,500 followers.
The “21 days” format — combining theory and practice across a structured three-week progression — addresses the specific challenge that stops most beginners: not motivation, but methodology. Not knowing how to start translates into not starting. The program provides a defined entry point with a defined endpoint, lowering the threshold enough that people who would not join a running club will commit to a program.
The scale of the following — 32,500 for an account with only 20 posts — suggests the program has spread through shares and recommendations rather than consistent content output. It sits in a different layer of Kazakhstan’s running ecosystem from the clubs, but it feeds into them: people who complete a 21-day program often look for a community to continue with.
Instagram: @run_21day_kz · 32,500 followers
Shymkent: The Southern Hub
Shymkent is Kazakhstan’s third-largest city, in the warm south near the Uzbekistan border, and it has a running scene that punches significantly above its national profile.
Shymkent Run Club
Shymkent Run Club (@shymkentrunclub) is the dominant running community in southern Kazakhstan, and its numbers tell the story: 2,874 Instagram followers, 800+ posts, and — most significantly — over 1,000 runners who have come through its training programs since founding.
The club covers the full distance range from 5K to ultramarathon, with preparation tracks calibrated to different goals. Membership begins with a sign-up questionnaire, a self-selection mechanism that ensures new members arrive with some sense of what they’re getting into. Active participants earn bonuses through a partnership with Sport Nation — a retail and events company that has become an infrastructure partner for several of Kazakhstan’s running clubs — redeemable for brand products.
The Sunday morning RunHard workouts are the community anchor: structured, consistent, social enough to build loyalty across a membership that otherwise has diverse goals.
Shymkent’s warm climate extends the outdoor running season well beyond what northern cities manage, and the club’s activity level reflects that. The geography also opens access to cross-country and trail terrain in the surrounding hills, which the club incorporates into its training calendar.
Instagram: @shymkentrunclub · 2,874 followers · strava.com/clubs/srclub
Run Club Shymkent
A second Shymkent entry, Run Club Shymkent (@run_club_shymkent), operates from a physical address on Ryskulova Street — the kind of store-adjacent community structure that has been a reliable format for running clubs in post-Soviet cities, where a retail relationship provides a meeting point and logistical backbone.
Instagram: @run_club_shymkent · 216 followers
Other Cities
Kazakhstan’s running culture extends beyond its two largest cities, shaped by geography and the specific character of each place.
Karaganda Run (@karagandarun) in Karaganda — the former coal-mining center in the country’s industrial heartland — organizes three open training sessions per week. Members run together, participate in marathons, and maintain the mutual support structure that characterizes the best smaller running communities. Karaganda’s running culture is younger and less established than Almaty’s or Astana’s, but the consistency of the weekly schedule suggests a stable core.
Run Club Aktau (@runclub_aktau) operates in Kazakhstan’s Caspian port city — a place whose running landscape is entirely different from the mountain-adjacent terrain of Almaty or the riverside embankments of Astana. Three free group workouts per week, plus individual sessions. Running along the Caspian coast has a specific character: flat, windy, with a horizon that stretches unobstructed to the water. The club has built a community around making use of what’s there, not lamenting what isn’t.
Trigada (@trigada.kz) is a women’s sports community founded by Kazakhstani champions Saltanat Kazybaeva and Ayana Amanbayeva. Not limited to one city, it operates as a nationwide network for women runners seeking professional coaching in an environment designed specifically for them.
The Gear Infrastructure
Running culture generates retail culture, and Kazakhstan’s gear scene has developed alongside its clubs.
GLUNA / CLORTS (@gluna.kz), with stores in both Astana (Tole bi 40) and Almaty (Abay 109a), is the leading specialist retailer for trail and trekking footwear — the official representative of the CLORTS brand in Kazakhstan. With 66,900 Instagram followers, it has the largest social media reach of any running-adjacent account in the country, reflecting the appetite for technical gear among Kazakhstan’s outdoor community.
On Running Astana / Scarpe (@scarpe.store.kz) serves the performance road-running market, positioning itself as the country’s source for On Running footwear with competitive pricing and international delivery. The brand’s alignment with the running-as-lifestyle aesthetic that has driven Kazakhstan’s growth makes it a natural reference point for the scene’s style-conscious segment.
Both retailers function as connective tissue between the clubs and the broader sporting goods market — places where communities encounter each other outside of training sessions.
What Defines Kazakhstan’s Running Culture
A few things about Kazakhstan’s running scene don’t translate directly from other contexts.
The climate is not an obstacle, it’s a filter. Astana’s running culture exists because the people who built it didn’t stop when it got hard. Every club that has survived multiple winters in the capital has absorbed that stubbornness into its identity. The breakfast after the Sunday long run — tea and coffee and food gathered around a table — is partly community ritual and partly a practical response to the cold. “We go to races together, run around the city, compete, grab breakfast. It is an atmosphere that I love,” describes one Astana runner. The warmth is earned and therefore kept.
The mountain-city split. Only Almaty produces this in Central Asia: a city of two million where trail access begins within minutes of urban infrastructure. The same person doing track intervals on Tuesday is at 3,000 meters on a Saturday. This makes trail running and road running feel like one continuous thing rather than two separate disciplines. Clubs like Homerun are built specifically to bridge that gap; the mountain backdrop changes what the whole city thinks “running” means.
The ice marathon. Burabai — a resort area three hours north of Astana — hosts a winter race across a frozen lake. Participants run across snowdrifts on ice that may or may not give underfoot. “It was slippery, wet, and tough, but the emotions were incredible,” recalls one Astana runner who ran it in winter conditions she describes as genuinely extreme. The race exists because the lake freezes reliably every year and someone organized it. That logic — terrain exists, therefore event — runs through much of Kazakhstan’s racing calendar.
The professional-amateur blur. Kazakhstan’s clubs don’t sort cleanly into “competitive” and “social.” Alliance Runfit is explicitly goal-oriented but maintains genuine community culture. AstanaRunners is amateur-identified but keeps a named coach and a training arm. Die Hard Astana runs 20+ kilometers every Sunday with pace groups — not racing, but not casual either. The categories collapse because the audience is the same people: serious enough to train with structure, too embedded in their social networks to want training without community.
The 21-day entry channel. The success of @run_21day_kz — 32,500 followers for a beginner running program with fewer than 20 posts — reflects something specific about Kazakhstan’s audience. The demand exists; the barrier is knowing how to start. A structured three-week program with defined theory and practice lowers that barrier in a way that club membership announcements don’t. It has become a significant feeder for the clubs, which benefit from graduates who have already made the first commitment.
Running the Cities
Almaty — Kok-Tobe and the Medeu routes. The southern edge of the city provides hill training options within the urban fabric: the road to Medeu skating rink climbs steadily through the hills, and the area around Kok-Tobe offers panoramic views and accessible trails. For flat running, the city’s parks and the Esentai River area provide reliable surfaces.
Almaty — Zailisky Alatau. The national park immediately south of the city is the defining feature of Almaty running. Gorge runs, ridge trails, and routes to mountain meadows are all accessible by cable car from the city limit, or on foot from the higher-altitude neighborhoods of Medeu and Shymbulak. Trail running culture in Almaty is inseparable from this access.
Astana — Yessil Embankment. The left-bank riverside path from Akorda to Turan Avenue and back is the city’s standard long-run route, offering flat terrain, consistent surface, and views of Astana’s architectural landmarks. At dawn, according to local runners, it is “especially beautiful and peaceful.”
Astana — Central Park. The city’s central green space provides loop routes in a tree-covered setting — the rare respite from Astana’s often-brutal summer heat and wind. The Botanical Garden paths are similarly valued for their smooth surfaces and shade.
Astana — Kosshy-Urker bike path. For long runs exceeding standard park capacity (up to 50 km), this path north of the city provides the distance without traffic interruption.
Shymkent and surroundings. Kazakhstan’s southern city benefits from extended warm seasons and access to the surrounding hills and cross-country terrain.
Burabai. Three hours from Astana, the Burabai resort area offers pine forest trails and the frozen lake that hosts the winter ice marathon. A significant portion of Astana’s running community makes seasonal use of it.
Key Races
Almaty Marathon (September) — the flagship of Kazakhstan running, and the largest road running event in Central Asia. AIMS-certified and World Athletics recognized, with distances spanning 42.2 km, 21.1 km, 10 km, Nordic walking, and an Ekiden team relay. The course traces Almaty’s major arteries — Nazarbayev Avenue, Al-Farabi Avenue, Abai Avenue — finishing at Republic Square. Organized by the “Courage to Be First” corporate foundation, the race has grown into an event with genuine international participation and ambition.
Almaty Half Marathon (April) — the spring anchor of the Almaty racing calendar, departing from First President Park on Al-Farabi Avenue. Draws runners from across Kazakhstan and neighboring countries as the first major event of the outdoor season.
Astana Half Marathon (June) — Kazakhstan’s capital race, drawing 6,000+ participants from 38 countries in its 2025 edition. An AIMS-certified course through Astana’s modern left bank, passing the Baiterek Monument, Nur Alem sphere, and Botanical Garden. Flat, fast, well-organized, and increasingly on the international running calendar.
Tau Jarys (June, Almaty region) — a cross-country race in the Alatau foothills, held in the evening. Light elevation gain, mountain scenery, a distinctive format for those who want something between a road race and a trail run.
Burabai Ice Marathon (winter) — a run across the frozen lake at the Burabai resort, in conditions that make it one of the more demanding and memorable race experiences in the country. Not a large international event, but a community touchstone for Kazakhstan’s running culture.
Astana Run Challenge — a local race series organized through Alliance Runfit and triathlon federation partnerships, with the Jagalau course providing a regular competitive fixture for the capital’s running clubs.
Finding Your Community
Kazakhstan’s running scene is large enough to offer genuine choice, small enough that club crossovers are common and the community feels interconnected.
For beginners, the most practical entry points are @run_21day_kz (a structured 21-day program) in any city, Let’s Run Almaty (event aggregator) in Almaty, or simply showing up for any of the consistently open Sunday sessions at AstanaRunners, Die Hard Astana, or the Shymkent Run Club.
For people who want structured coaching toward specific race goals, Alliance Runfit, J-Run, Brave Academy, and AstanaRunners.team all offer professional programming with varying entry points and costs.
For people who want community first and training second, WAUSAN30’s equivalents here are the breakfast-and-lecture format of Community Almaty Run, the gamified long-run culture of Die Hard Astana, and the explicit “family” orientation of Space Team.
For trail and mountain running, Homerun and the seasonal programs that move between Almaty’s city routes and the Zailisky Alatau trails are the natural starting points.
For runners relocating from abroad, the combination of Let’s Run Almaty (for Almaty) and the Sport Nation partnership networks (which link several Astana clubs) provides the fastest way to find English-friendly sessions and English-literate community members. Kazakhstan’s running communities are increasingly international-facing, and the Astana Half Marathon’s 38-country participant list reflects a broader openness that extends to the clubs.
Most of Kazakhstan’s running clubs were founded after 2015. Astana’s are mostly newer than the city’s permanent government buildings. Almaty’s have been running long enough to have traditions, but young enough that the founders are still active members.
That recency is the point. These communities are not inheriting a running culture — they are building one. The decisions they’re making now about what running should look like, who it’s for, and how it relates to everything else in a person’s life are not refinements of something established. They are the establishment. The clubs here are not gated by insider knowledge or long waiting lists. They are mostly open, mostly run by people who not long ago didn’t run at all, and mostly interested in finding out what happens when more people show up.
Which also means the picture is still forming.
Across Almaty, Astana, Shymkent, and smaller cities, runners are starting to connect beyond their immediate circles — through races, shared training formats, and increasingly through online spaces where distance accumulates regardless of location. One of those layers looks like Қазақстан Жүгіреді — an open team that sits across cities rather than inside any single one.
But scenes like this are always defined from within.
If you run in Kazakhstan — does this reflect how it actually feels on the ground?
Or is the reality still more fragmented than it looks from the outside?
We know this isn’t the full picture. There’s more to Kazakhstan’s running world — and a second part is coming. If you know a club we missed, or have something to add, get in touch.
